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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

Ultimate Reality

Don't make statements of belief. Just ask questions.

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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friends

me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

They will focus on 2 Chronicles 36:21 and Daniel 9:2. Remember, Daniel said 'devastations' -- plural. 2 Chron talks about sabbaths DURING the time the land was desolated and how Jeremiah's 70 years were fulfilled by the Persian overthrow of Babylon addressed in that same chapter.

These are one sentence references to Jeremiah 25. To know what Jeremiah said, make them read the whole chapter. Remember when you get to the section on calamity starting with Jerusalem late in the chapter, the Society applies this to events taking place in Jehoiakim's reign -- not the Temple destruction.

This also brings us to when Daniel was actually taken from Jerusalem. He was taken before the major deportation that occurred under Jehoiachin. In Daniel chapter 1, Daniel himself claims he was taken under Jehoiakim along with some of the Temple utensils. But, the Society claims he was taken under Jehoiachin. Ask them why, since 2 Chron 36 describes two separate Temple raids -- the Society glosses over this.

Focus on one point only at first: Where in Jeremiah's 25th chapter do we find the reason to apply the '70 years' to the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem rather than 70 years of servitude for all the nations mentioned in the chapter? No where will you find anything about Sabbath's for the land of Judah nor anything about the destruction of the Temple.

It is critical to understand how and why the Society has interpreted these verses. It takes some time to understand all this. Do not focus on the 'secular' evidence. Focus on the Bible and the Society's flawed interpretation.

Another Jeremiah point; focus on how Jeremiah 29 was written to exiles taken about 10 years before the destruction of the Temple (were they to be there 80 rather than 70 years?).

Finally, Zechariah chapter 7: These verses are NOT about the 70 Years of Jeremiah's prophecy but about what had been happening the past 70 years -- specifically, since the destruction of the Temple. According to the Insight Volumes he wrote this in December of 518 BCE (within the 70th year of the 587 BCE destruction date). If he did not really mean that, why did he write it? Should we not stick to the obvious and plain meaning of scriptures?

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-07-10 WT Review (ADVANCEMENT)

by blondie in

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Ultimate Reality

Thanks Blondie!

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Whatever happened to the poster named V?

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

anyone know what ever became of v?

thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

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bttt

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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

by Ultimate Reality in

from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

Ultimate Reality

They have been planning this since the convoluted explanation in 2008. When the current 2010 article says, "It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period", it is referring to the 2008 article that created this definition (see below). Of course, this does not fit the 1st Century parallel, and no one would ever read Jesus' words and arrive at this meaning, but faith in 1914 and the urgency of the times must be maintained.

From the February 15, 2008 Watchtower; the 'box' on Can We Calculate the Length of "This Generation"?:

The word "generation" usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event. For example, Exodus 1:6 tells us: "Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers and all that generation." Joseph and his brothers varied in age, but they shared a common experience during the same time period. Included in "that generation" were some of Joseph's brothers who were born before him. Some of these outlived Joseph. (Gen. 50:24) Others of "that generation," such as Benjamin, were born after Joseph was born and may have lived on after he died.

So when the term "generation" is used with reference to people living at a particular time, the exact length of that time cannot be stated except that it does have an end and would not be excessively long. Therefore, by using the term "this generation," as recorded at Matthew 24:34, Jesus did not give his disciples a formula to enable them to determine when "the last days" would end. Rather, Jesus went on to emphasize that they would not know "that day and hour."—2 Tim. 3:1; Matt. 24:36.

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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

by Ultimate Reality in

from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

Ultimate Reality

This now marks the 6th definition of the Generation in the Society's history. Four of which have been applicable at some point over the past 15 years or so.

I love how the false premise of Proverbs 4:18 sets up this argument. Proverbs 4 talks about how a person lives their life -- it has nothing to do with 'new' truths.

For lurkers, see jwfacts.com for more details on the development of the concept of new light and the history of the Generation.

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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

by Ultimate Reality in

from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

Ultimate Reality

From jw.org, here is the new definition of the Generation from the April 15, 2010 Watchtower.

Article: Holy Spirit’s Role in the Outworking of Jehovah’s Purpose

13 Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible
truths to light. (Prov. 4:18) This magazine has
long been used by “the faithful and discreet slave”
as the primary channel for dispensing increased
light. (Matt. 24:45) For example, consider our understanding
of those who make up “this generation”
mentioned by Jesus. (Read Matthew 24:32-
34.) To what generation did Jesus refer? The article
“Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean to You?”
explained that Jesus was referring, not to the wicked,
but to his disciples, who were soon to be anointed
with holy spirit. Jesus’ anointed followers, both
in the first century and in our day, would be the ones
who would not only see the sign but also discern its
meaning—that Jesus “is near at the doors.”

14 What does this explanation mean to us? Although
we cannot measure the exact length of “this
generation,” we do well to keep in mind several
things about the word “generation”: It usually refers
to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during
a particular time period; it is not excessively long;
and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to
understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”?
He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed
who were on hand when the sign began to become
evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other
anointed ones who would see the start of the great
tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it
surely will have an end. The fulfillment of the various
features of the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation
must be near. By maintaining your sense of
urgency and keeping on the watch, you show that
you are keeping up with advancing light and following
the leadings of holy spirit.—Mark 13:37.

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New light: Generation

by 5thGeneration in

got some info from the annual meeting.. unofficially, the 'generation' is now categorized as 2 groups.

the first is 'the 1914 group' and the second is the younger anointed 'contemporaries' who 'actually work for a period of time with those anointed ones'.. the 'generation' is now 'the lifespan of those who actually saw the beginning of the sign and then the lifespan of those who worked with those who saw the beginning of the sign'.. here we go again....

Ultimate Reality

At recent Circuit Assembly, the circuit's new C.O. made mention that new information was coming on the Generation. Keep a look out at jw.org for the April 2010 WT -- it might be in there or perhaps the May issue.

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2009 Annual Worldwide Service Report -- 7.3 Million Publishers

by Joker10 in

china: the number of publishers has increased.

in some parts of the mainland, they can openly go door to door without much interference.

there are actally buildings now used as kingdom halls.

Ultimate Reality

Don't forget about this:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/184119/1/48-165-New-Publishers-in-ONE-MONTH

The Kingdom Ministry reported 48,165 new publishers in August. This number is being manipulated. Those that are "re-activated" get counted again, unbaptized publishers, 15 minute publishers, "studying" with one's children, and all those that didn't turn in time reports before the August service year cut-off.

This way they can hide how many are actually leaving; the true influx of new baptized ones barely makes up for those leaving.

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What Josephus Really Wrote about the 70 Years

by Ultimate Reality in

there have been some partial quotations of josephus on this board recently in relation to how he explained the '70 years'.. .

in the interests of scholastic honesty and so that his words are not taken out of context, here are some relevant passages with their context.

you might ask yourself, do the 70 years (as spoken by the prophet jeremiah) begin with the destruction of the temple or before the destruction of the temple?

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haste, having but a few with him, over the desert to Babylon; whither, when he was come, he found the public affairs had been managed by the Chaldeans, and that the principal person among them had preserved the kingdom for him. Accordingly, he now entirely obtained all his father's dominions. He then came, and ordered the captives to be placed as colonies in the most proper places of Babylonia; but for himself, he adorned the temple of Belus, and the other temples, after an elegant manner, out of the spoils he had taken in this war. He also rebuilt the old city, and added another to it on the outside, and so far restored Babylon, that none who should besiege it afterwards might have it in their power to divert the river, so as to facilitate an entrance into it; and this he did by building three walls about the inner city, and three about the outer. Some of these walls he built of burnt brick and bitumen, and some of brick only. So when he had thus fortified the city with walls, after an excellent manner, and had adorned the gates magnificently, he added a new palace to that which his father had dwelt in, and this close by it also, and that more eminent in its height, and in its great splendor. It would perhaps require too long a narration, if any one were to describe it. However, as prodigiously large and as magnificent as it was, it was finished in fifteen days. Now in this palace he erected very high walks, supported by stone pillars, and by planting what was called a pensile paradise, and replenishing it with all sorts of trees, he rendered the prospect an exact resemblance of a mountainous country. This he did to please his queen, because she had been brought up in Media, and was fond of a mountainous situation."

Against Apion (partially 20 and 21):

Hereupon Cyrus took Babylon, and gave order that the outer walls of the city should be demolished, because the city had proved very troublesome to him, and cost him a great deal of pains to take it. He then marched away to Borsippus, to besiege Nabonnedus; but as Nabonnedus did not sustain the siege, but delivered himself into his hands, he was at first kindly used by Cyrus, who gave him Carmania, as a place for him to inhabit in, but sent him out of Babylonia. Accordingly Nabonnedus spent the rest of his time in that country, and there died."

21. These accounts agree with the true histories in our books; for in them it is written that Nebuchadnezzar, in the eighteenth year of his reign, laid our temple desolate, and so it lay in that state of obscurity for fifty years; but that in the second year of the reign of Cyrus its foundations were laid, and it was finished again in the second year of Darius. I will now add the records of the Phoenicians; for it will not be superfluous to give the reader demonstrations more than enough on this occasion.